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gwyn ([personal profile] gwyn) wrote2004-01-29 02:21 pm

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I feel like the luckiest person around, despite being, essentially, fired yesterday. So many of you have left me good wishes, and bunches of you have written to me privately to offer assistance, and already I have friends digging around doing research about benefits and unemployment stuff and freelance, and even help trying to troubleshoot why my beloved iMac is suddenly fritzing out on me something fierce. It's weird, but it's not often the really bad stuff that makes me cry (though it sometimes does), but kindness and generosity that makes me sob. The way so many people who have never even met me, or have only met me once or twice, have offered me so much help makes this so much easier.

I thought about things a little last night and got some good persepctive. Strangely, the first person who was purged by NewGuy was meeting me for dinner last night, and we ended up getting a pizza and staying in and discussing this. She gives these killer bearhugs and I thought she'd crush my ribs, she was so upset and worried for me. NewGuy in essence fired her (actually had his superior fire her) about three months ago, because he hated her and because she stated her opinion and she didn't realize that by acting in her position as office mom, which she'd been for 8 years, made NG hate her even more. She has been depressed and so down that she never even filed for unemployment, but I think has now been kicked into gear. NewGuy had painted it as D having issues with him and not being a very good employee, and has made snotty remarks about her since then; we never knew the truth, most of us, until we saw D later. I realized a couple things in talking to her: one is that NewGuy is a horrible *little* man in every aspect of the word. He's physically little and I noticed that all three of us who have been purged are tall, two are women, older, with actual opinions and really specialized skill sets, which he doesn't think my office needs. He has a little Grinchy heart (two sizes too small) and a little pinched face and he's little in ability and humanity. There's this terrible part of me that wants to just draw myself up to my full height, put on my Stuart Weitzman boots with the 2-3/4 inch heels, and sneer "You are a *little* man." But, I know better than to burn bridges of any kind, no matter how I feel about them.

The other thing I realized is that he can't stand that other people are more liked or fun or whatever, and he wants to make that office over in reflection of his ethics and beliefs, which are not only completely not what our main bread and butter client wants, but not what any of those people are like. I used to love working there -- some of the most wonderful people I've ever met came and went through the doors, and the first two years were just plain *fun.* He is getting rid of people who were fun and liked to laugh and joke, and he has no sense of humor except a mean, snarky, sarcastic in the worst sense cruel idea of "humor." The kind where he makes a joke at someone's expense and then gives them shit for not laughing at it because it's just a joke. I've always hated that kind of thing in the extreme. So he can call my dismissal a reorganization or a layoff, but all it is is a purge, and if he could get rid of the designer (who he can't touch because she's our design firm's only designer) and another older woman in production, he would. I think he had to get rid of the young, mildly incompetent account assistant yesterday because otherwise he'd get sued for age discrimination -- they made a huge deal of it on the packet they gave me. Too bad there's not a tallness discrimination clause. I'm used to small man syndrome, I've dealt with it all my life, but it's just so pathetic that it's hard to not want to bitch-slap these morons.

Most of my life I've heard this message that I'm worthless, and I think he really played into that yesterday. I never looked at him once during the little firing session, and the nice HR guy, who is friends with D, actually seemed surprised when I told him, as we waited for a cab so i could take my things home, when I said NewGuy was a hateful person who hated most of us in production (including D) and was going to completely lose our client's faith by continuing to purge the office of its long-term employees. D confirmed that for me last night when she said that our client has called her to ask if my firm can do the work for her. I also pointed out to HR guy that since NG's been here, we've made something like four or five pitches for new business, and lost all of them. I think it's a pattern. People can't relate to NG, he's a dead fish and he's not warm or human. I think people sense that. I'm afraid for the friends who stil work there, because I'm afraid that new work won't be coming if NG keeps this up.

I'm a nobody, but I'm also a nobody who worked with some of those main clients for over four years. They know me, they trust my work, and they will not care as long as their work gets done, but they will take note of my leaving and they will mark it down with the other reasons not to use my firm, even if we are the only ones who really do it right. That really makes me sad, almost as sad as I feel for myself right now. I was naive and stupid to think that having so much work lately would protect me. Both D and I admitted that if NewGuy was kicked out and we were offered our jobs back, we'd probably take them, stupid as that sounds. It has never been the same without her, though -- she truly was the heart and soul of our office, and NewGuy killed it when he got rid of her.

So today I just am sitting around, dumping stuff to tape and watching tv and reading mail. I know you're supposed to get on the horse again and all that, but I just want to wallow a little and figure out what I want to do. I'm a good editor, but I'm scared I won't be competent at book editing, which I'd still love to do. I'm scared about business stuff in being self employed. I'm just scared, period. I watched the Angel ep from last night, and it was every bit as incredible as others have said. My god, I loved every second of it, and it perked me up a lot. Ultimate Drew wins again. And in between, my friend Tina is helping me try to troubleshoot this computer thing, and I realize how lucky again I am to be surrounded by technically competent people. And best news of all -- late last night, my files came through. Apparently neither the HR guy nor my boss had anything to do with it, but my guess is they might have read the files, realized they were safe, and let them go through. This was such a relief that I can't even find words. I have the essay I wanted to work on for possible marketing, my Buffy story, and my Amazon.com gift certificate, so all's right.

It's a grey, blustery, seriously wet day with winds and flooding rain. I was going to go to the library, but decided to stay and wallow. Then do my bank books and see what's the what. Figure out what I want to do later. I guess I can't even file for unemployment until my official termination date, which is next week. They left me on so that I could get benefits through end of month. My dad, who wouldn't know how to give emotional support to you if he had a bucket of it in his hands, gave me his usual, whatever, stuff happens response yesterday, but told me not to worry about money. I don't want to be a 43-year-old woman living off my dad, but his only way of showing love is by giving me money. So. So I'm just going to try to take it a day at a time, all that stuff, and try really hard not to hear that voice in my head that I've heard all my life telling me I'm useless and worthless, and see what happens next. My tickets were already bought for Escapade, so I'm going regardless, and a lot of folks have offered help for getting through the daily expenses of a con, and that's so nice. It's the kindness of strangers and friends that will get me through the hard part, and I've learned in the past 24 hours that I have that in abundance.
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[personal profile] minim_calibre 2004-01-29 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Wallowing, for at least a week or two, is not at all unhealthy.

When I went through something similar in 2001, there was a fair amount of wallowing on my part for the first week or two, some of it with my fellow ex-co-workers.

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[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I feel guilty for doing it, but... I know I need it, and I don't think I can really focus on anything if I don't. Plus? Sleep!
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[identity profile] zoniduck.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Chiming in to offer my sympathy and my good wishes for better things in the future. I'm thrilled to hear that you got all your emails finally. It's odd, but of all the stuff you talked about in your post yesterday, losing all those emails was the thing I was most upset about on your behalf. I hope everything else will work out for you just like this did.

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[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, it wasn't the job that made me cry -- I broke down on the phone when my friend called me to see if we should still get together, and it was talking about the loss of the mails and files that made me cry. There was something about losing what little creativity I'd ever had time for (and my amazon gift cert.!) that made me so scared.
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[identity profile] rainkatt.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Wallowing can be good for a bit. It'll help you process.

Nice of your dad to be there for you in his way, and it should give you a little more breathing room while you decide what's next.

So glad you got your emails without any hassles! I found myself fussing over that today, as I was discussing tomorrow's layoffs. (We have a project ending, and it's a normal fact of life in this business, so no one's shocked, but there's always a checklist that goes out to HR, payroll, admin, and IT, and when I was going over it, I kept wondering about those emails of yours. :-))

Let me know what you want to do about whichever weekend. We're not locked into anything here, so don't feel pressured.

[identity profile] laurashalo.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry about your job. I can very much relate to what you've said about the new guy. It's a shame he can't see what he's doing. His issues are his own. Don't let him get to you.

My father sounds a lot like yours. He's always shown love through things. If I said I wanted peanut butter, it would be there that day, but he wasn't one for talking. It's comforting that he's there financially, but I do feel guilty sometimes. I guess we all want to be independent, but it's good to have someone to count on.

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[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
He's such a classic old skool guy. Total Depression era person who spent his whole life saving, and so the way he can help and show love is by giving his kids the money he saved for them. We thought we were poor when we were kids; we were at the time, but didn't know he was saving it al up for us for later.

[identity profile] kassrachel.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm so glad you're still coming to Escapade!

I'm not flush with cash myself, but I'd like to buy you a cup of coffee, or the warm beverage of your choice. :-)

*hug*

[identity profile] nwhepcat.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I am so pissed off at this pipsqueak. I wonder if you and your friend should get together and think about all the purgees and try to uncover a pattern of any kind. Your pointing out his targeting of "fun" people makes me wonder if he's a member of any of the notorious funsucking religions, and whether he's been hiring people in his chosen "mafia." It might be worth thinking about what he's done and keeping tabs on what he is doing. It might actually be discriminatory in some way.

And your dad -- sweet, male stylee. I read a book on male psychology by a couple of respected psychiatrists, and what they point out is that men DO things for you as an expression of love. ("Of course I love you! I washed your car, didn't I?") So this is his way of giving you his support without resorting to all that emotional talk guys often fare so poorly with.

And oh, I'm so glad you got your files. WHEW!

(And you and I are sistahs in the what-makes-us-weep category. It's almost always stories of unexpected kindness that do me in, too.)

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I found out from D, as well, that apparently he's not at all well liked in the marketing community in Seattle, and so once again, my company scores by hiring the wrong guy! They have a history of doing this.

I definitely agree with the psych book -- dad was always like that. Classic "let me buy you a car and it will help you out" kind of guy. Right now he wants to pay off all my stupid credit cards. For him that's the equivalent of a hug. ;-)

[identity profile] elke-tanzer.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and see you at Escapade!

[identity profile] soundingsea.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a nobody, but I'm also a nobody who worked with some of those main clients for over four years. They know me, they trust my work...

I just wanted to highlight this and say that to the clients who know you and trust your work, you're not nobody, professionally speaking.

*hugs*

[identity profile] mockerbee.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you're doing the smart thing in taking some time to assess what you really want to do. You have some breathing room right now and using it this way is very wise.

I'm glad you spoke your mind to the HR guy. Sometimes HR has more power and influence than you might realize. Hopefully, he's got a file going on that lil SOB somewhere.

I'll keep my eye open on the job postings at work. We've been in lay off mode for a while now but you never know.

Hang in there!

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you, that really means a lot to me. I just can't even say how nice it is to have all these folks looking out for me. Hopefully they'll still be there in a few months when I'm still out of work! LOL.
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[personal profile] jcalanthe 2004-01-29 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with the others that a little wallow is a very reasonable and healthy coping skill in situations like this.

I'd like to sit this jerk supervisor down and give him the "you're making us short men look bad, you asshat" speech. What an idiot.

As I was reading the part about your former company's clients, and your conversations with D, my thought was that you 2 (and other tall mouthy women who get fired ;) could totally go into business and steal all your old clients. :) I'm only somewhat joking - if your old co isn't going to be able to make the clients happy, and you have the skills, seems like a good idea to me. Even if you signed a non-compete agreement, those are often not enforcable. Anyway, since it flew into my head, I figured I'd mention it.

*hugs* If there's anything I can do, more than sending good thoughts in your direction, let me know.

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel like I should add a footnote stating not all short men are jerks! ;-) He's just representative of that kind of guy who hates people who have something he doesn't, i think. My first real partner loved that I towered over him, and encouraged me to wear the highest heels I could. So a lot of shorter guys are total sweeties about it.

But you know, I like the idea of a tall agency. ;-) I mean, we all have really strong skill sets that mesh well. We could totally do it. And we have the client contacts, though of course non competes would be a problem, but what the heck? I love your icon, btw.
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[personal profile] fishsanwitt 2004-01-29 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Gwyn,

It's good to know you're feeling a bit better :)

[identity profile] lordshiva.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
You're brilliant at book editing! And if I ever get to the point where I can hire you, I will. Plus, you get a plug in any book I publish forever and ever. Acknowledgments page? You betcha.

I think this will prove to be a good thing (even though I hate when people throw these platitudes at me:-)

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
Heeee! Well, I'm mostly scared of nonfiction, with those terrifying bibliographies and footnotes. ::shudder:: I need to sit down with my Copyeditor's Handbook and the new Chicago and really study up on that. I didn't get that stuff when I was in school, let alone now!

[identity profile] batdina.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Glad you're still gonna make it to Escapade. Looking forward to seeing you.

[identity profile] ascian3.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 09:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry to hear about your job. Layoffs are bad enough at any time, but somehow it's much worse when it comes out of the blue like that.

You're okay wallowing for a bit. Don't feel bad about it.

And... it's not 100% ethical, but if you have a personal relationship with anyone at your old client's place, you could send them email to say hey, sorry I won't be working with you any more - just enough to let them know where you went and why, but not enough to be actively soliciting for work. Who knows - maybe when they get tired of the nasty little man, they'll call you someday.

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[identity profile] morgandawn.livejournal.com 2004-01-29 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
When one law firm refused to renew my contract (we lost our case, so the managing partner decided it was all my fault, and the day we lost they moved me and my secretary into the basement, I kid you not).

So what we did: I hand wrote notes to all my clients -- every single one of them, thanking them for the opportunity to work for them, telling them that Mr. X would be handling their case and included one of my personal business cards.

I still get calls from these clients 10 years later.

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[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
I actually do plan to e-mail my clients. I thought about trying to preempt whatever mail he sends out about the two people he purged, but then I just figured, whatever. I think it's considered okay, and no ethics violation to contact them. The nice thing is that about a year ago when they had actual downsizing layoffs, I contacted my two most familiar clients and asked them if I could use them on my references. So I can just tell them I've gone freelance and wanted to make sure it's still okay to use them as refs!

[identity profile] onetwomany.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
::hugs you:: Nothing wrong with a bit of wallowing. Been through my own episodes of that, and I usually emerged the betetr for it. Enjoy the little holiday and look around for something else that you'll actually like, where there's not a horrible NewGuy and a nasty cubicle and whatever else. You're a great writer, undoubtedly a great editor, and reputations spread well through word of mouth. I'm crossing everything that it'll work out for you, but I'm sure that's unnecessary cause you rock ::hugs yo again::

Oh, and trip to US booked. I get to meet you in August! Wheeee!

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:07 am (UTC)(link)
Yay! I realize it's unlikely I'm going to go to the vidding con in mid-August, but I hope when you're here it's not then, just in case! Because i so want to meet you. Even if I'm still poor and not working, I am a great tour guide for the Northwest, and I love to take people to out of the way places. So we'll have fun, regardless.

[identity profile] superplin.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
I completely missed your post by not being around, and I'm so sorry to hear about your job. I know four people who've been let go in the past week, it's like an epidemic.

I absolutely think a bit of wallowing is more than justified. You need time to absorb what's happened, recover, and decide on your next course of action. Time to be scared, because who wouldn't be? A little wallowing doesn't mean permanent paralysis, just a vacation. A well-deserved vacation during which you watch the nasty little man Snyder get eaten by a really big snake, over and over again. ;)

Thinking good thoughts for you.

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:11 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you. I'm actually trying to think of it that way -- a pondering vacation. Rest and pondering. I'm pretty sure, too, that once the ex-company network gets going, I'll be getting all kinds of mail from fellow bitter people, and then I'll have to sort through what I want to do... but at least for a bit, I just want to rest and ponder.

[identity profile] nandibble.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Did you realize that in describing your ex-boss, you've described Principal Snyder?

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:19 am (UTC)(link)
You know, the more I think of this, the more I realize he totally is. Instead of a round head with ears that stick out like jug handles and mean little eyes and a cruel little smile, he has a narrow head with ears that stick out like jug handles and mean little eyes and a cruel little smile. Somehow, now that I can think of him this way, it makes itmore funny! Maybe he too will be someday eaten by a big snake. One can hope.
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[identity profile] nandibble.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 10:23 am (UTC)(link)
Alas, there's never a giant demon serpent around when you need one!

[identity profile] owlrigh.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 11:52 am (UTC)(link)
Yikes. What a creep. I'd say that you are better off outside of that environment, although I'm sure that it wouldn't really help the disappointment, etc, that you are feeling. Hope the next bunch of steps your way take you up the ladder to where you're wanting.

Kindness of strangers

[identity profile] shadowkat67.livejournal.com 2004-01-30 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It's the kindness of strangers and friends that will get me through the hard part, and I've learned in the past 24 hours that I have that in abundance.

It is the kindness of others that more often than not will get us through tough times. I've realized that myself recently.

Know what you are going through, having experienced a similar situtation myself. Won't go into the details.
Also understand the desire not to live off Dad, similar situation believe me.

What has helped me the most is my interaction with the online world, meeting people in person, interacting on live journal, reading others journals, being able to see that I'm not alone and others do go through the same things and the mere fact that I've touched someone I've never seen or heard, means that I'm far from useless.
Clearly you have. Useless people don't get a large number of responses to a live journal entry.

Venting helps to. Writing out the pain. Putting it to words. At least it did for me.

I hope things get better soon...for both of us. (Oh chocolat brownies with chocolat mint frosting? VERY HELPFUL...;-)) Sharing a cybernetic brownie with you and a cybernetic hug...
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[identity profile] coffeeandink.livejournal.com 2004-01-31 06:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey there. I didn't see your earlier post till now, and I just wanted to say I'm sorry about the whole thing. I'm glad you got your files, and I'm glad your dad is trying to show support in his own emotionally incommunicative way. ;) And if letting him pay off your credit cards would allow you to use the money for health care instead for a few months, my advice would be to do it -- I understand pride, but your health is more important. (I know the pride issue -- I was unemployed for a long time, and I'll be paying back the money I borrowed from my parents even longer.) Also, if your state unemployment office has a labor disputes division, it may be worth seeing if you have a case for gender discrimination, since it sounds like this guy has had it particularly in for (tall) older women.

But anyway -- it's a scary bad situation, and I know we don't know each other very well, but if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. I'll be thinking of you and hoping things turn out okay.

[identity profile] barkley.livejournal.com 2004-01-31 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been working on my "things to do when I get laid off" plan for a year now, and in all versions of said plan, I always include wallowing time. (I also include running off to Colorado to never come back again time, but you already live near mountains, so no need to be so rash. *g*) So wallow away! If you need any help with anything, let me know.

[identity profile] needfire.livejournal.com 2004-02-01 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
Have you considered getting together with the others who were laid of and seeing if you have a case for unfair dismissal or harassment. Many companies are terrified of being labeled unPC and would bow down rather than deal with a court case and bad publicity.