We're in the endgame now

[gwyn]

Have seen Avengers: Endgame. If anyone wants to chitchat about it, come find me in comments! (Unless all you have to say is ragey or pissy. I can handle some criticisms, nitpicks, or issues but if all you've got is complaints, right now my life is so stressful and miserable that I border on suicidally depressed and I don't need it. There'll probably be plenty of people who hate it, so you might be better if you seek them out, because I didn't.)

Favorite bits? Stuff you didn't like? I have plenty of opinions to confabulate with.

Comments

[spikedluv]

I'm getting ready to post my comments. I loved it. Some bits were sad, naturally, and there were tears, but there was also a lot of laughter and outright cheering.

"I can do this all day."
"On your left."
"That really is America's ass."
"Don't do anything stupid . . ."
The. Hammer.
How good Bucky looked.
The amount of fic I'm anticipating with glee.

I want to see it again.

[gwyn]

Yeah. I mostly really liked it, which is the first time I can say that about an ensemble picture, but that ending is never gonna feel right for me. And that of all the callbacks, clearly there was no end of the line for Steve and Bucky, because that declaration was ignored completely. But I have waited and waited for the bullshit of Steve not being able to lift Mjolnir to be wiped out, and am so very happy that it was done so in that way. And "Avengers...assemble." ♥

[spikedluv]

Yeah, that just doesn't seem right. I mean, I know why they did it - Chris is leaving. *sobs* But it really doesn't make sense for a character who puts everyone else ahead of himself ~always. He didn't even freaking say goodbye! It would've made more sense if he returned young, given the timeline/time travel storyline, but again, I know why they did it.

I'm waiting for the fanfic where Steve goes back to save Bucky instead of going back to be with Peggy.

The Hammer was one of the best moments of the movie! (Which kind of plays into our quibbles about the end, tbh.) Oh, yes, the 'Avengers . . . assemble' line!!!

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

"You get the small one."

(And, since icon choice "On your left.")

I'm of the opinion that MCU Steve Rogers has packed in about three lifetimes in those minutes. There's not infinite branching since he got the Infinity Stones returned (and I think Thanos is bubbled in a paradox and his Destruction of the Stones rendered Some Exceptions Apply.) but it's More Sponge as in Sierpinski/Menger Sponge.

[hafital]

I loved it! <3

I was all good, kinda rolling with it, you know, sad about nat but riding the story, until Steve callled Mjolnir, and then I died. LOL. (eta to say a good death, in case that wasn't clear)

[gwyn]

I have a lot of issues, especially Steve's ending which is just so wrong it pisses me off, but I liked it overall and that's a lot more than I expected from it. The timey wimey stuff gives me an incredible headache, so I'm honestly not sure how in hell I'm ever going to be able to write fic around it. Which I guess isn't a huge issue, since I don't write much these days anyway. My happy place will always be post-Winter Soldier, pre everything else.

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

Alternate Universe Canon Divergence five minutes post CA:TWS is viable territory.

[destina]

I loved pretty much the whole thing. But I'm pretty sure that every time I think about Tony the next few days I'm going to cry. A lot. Ugh. <3

[gwyn]

Yeah, I thought about you a lot there at the ending.

I have quite a few issues, some of them downright hated, but overall I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. I suppose a lot of it did have to do with fanservice, which people always say is awful but I love it. Steve should always have been able to lift Mjolnir--that got the biggest cheer at the fan event, which is saying something because I think the movie was like 60 percent cheering and laughing. I actually yelled when I saw Hiroyuki Sanada in the Tokyo scenes, and generally made a fool of myself with spot the Community actor and all the unexpected appearances.

[hypertwink]

When Thor lost his hammer, I wish I could say I knew then but no, it was when Mjolnir hit Thanos and the only answer in my head of who could have thrown it was Steve, and BINGO! As someone said, he didn't try too hard in Ultron; so if he couldn't lift it then, because of sparing Thor's feelings, he became worthy. But I think he was already worthy then, he just didn't want to show up Thor (well, that's my head canon).

[lynnenne]

Someone asked Joss Whedon during a Q&A, "How is Steve Rogers not worthy?" Whedon's reply was, "Do we know that he couldn't lift the hammer? Or did he just stop?" So it was fun to see that bit of foreshadowing confirmed.

Thor's excited, "I knew it!" made me laugh and laugh.

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

Thor is a good bro. He celebrates others abilities.

"Hey, I'm being thrown! I'm sorry the Freedom Frisbee is no more. Again!" Mjolnir is the dog and the stick.

[lynnenne]

Mjolnir is the dog and the stick.

LOL!

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

=)

[gwyn]

I know a lot of people have talked about Steve doing that deliberately, and Destina wrote a great Thundershield fic about it, but I just...I hate that kind of thing where an author of a text says that something is true outside the text but they didn't have IN the text (like JK Rowling, etc.). Which is not to say you can't have your headcanon, it just burned me that it was played so coy in the movie and I've never believed it. (I mean, that same scene has Tony making rape jokes, so...) (Also I just hate Joss in general so I'm easily affected and have been nursing a grudge for years. I am pathetic :-D )

For me the best part of that was him and Thor being shield brothers again. Thor's glee about that.

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

That scene has Issues such that Bruce Wayne's publishing arm has to do the printing.

Thor's glee is worthy. That that manifestation of his power is available to be used is worthy. Steve is worthy. Thanos getting smacked in the head is worthy.

Directors having head canon is not worthy because they've got CGI budgets. Head Canon is for fans as we don't have craft services or matt painters.

[sheron]

(Here via destina's flist)

I personally loved the movie.

Loved Steve wielding Mjolnir.
Tony wielding the gauntlet.

Natasha sacrificing herself hurts so much, but the moment I saw them on Vormir I knew she would save Clint the way he saved her, in her own darkest hour. So IDK. Those three are my favourite characters, and they went out with a bang. Everything hurts but I also really enjoyed the movie.

(I hope life gets less stressful soon.)

[gwyn]

Yeah, I'm having a hard time getting past some things, and Nat's death and the fact that there was no big grief at her passage really rankles me. But I did appreciate that love she has for Clint, for him giving her that new life, and I hope somehow there's a way to fix that (the soul stone makes very little sense to me, so maybe that's something a new story could focus better on). I have some major issues and a few things that downright piss me off, but overall, I went in with really dreadful expectations and I ended up cheering a lot and laughing (they had so many surprise spot the actor moments! I may have yelled when Hiroyuki Sanada showed up, and Yvette Nicole Brown).

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

It's not Tasha Yar and the ooze.

I need to see the Women Montage on repeat once the DVD is available from the library.

[lynnenne]

I made a reaction post here: https://lynnenne.dreamwidth.org/324105.html

[gwyn]

Oh, thank you so much!

[anelith]

I had much the same reaction as I have to all the Avengers/Cap movies since Age of Ultron -- *love* many moments and character notes, *hate* the plot. I saw someone on Tumblr rate the movie as 9/10 for entertainment, 1/10 for plot and story. That's spot on for me. But that's OK because I mentally discard the plot of all the ensemble movies after Winter Soldier! "I reject your reality and substitute my own" as the Mythbusters used to say.

Endgame had a LOT of wonderful character moments, way more than most of the ensemble movies, so for that reason it's my favorite of them all after the original Avengers. I loved the idea that they had to go back in time to retrieve the stones, since it gave them a chance to revisit some old favorite moments. Enormous kudos to the movie makers for bringing back *scores* of people, some of whom were on screen for literally just seconds. That's beautiful fan service and I thank them.

As for the time stuff, I like to think that my family is pretty smart, and none of us could figure out the rules of how it was supposed to work. We discussed that more than anything else after the movie. And going by what I see on the Internet nobody else could figure it out either.

[mackiemesser]

Just got back from seeing it, and was - overall - very satisfied. There were a lot of things I really enjoyed, a few things I was annoyed by, and while in some ways, I liked the end, I'm having a hard time getting my heard around it.

Like, I just feel like there's now an enormous time paradox? Concerning pretty much all of Steve's story?

[peoriapeoriawhereart]

The model of 'time travel' deployed is specifically anti-paradox. Sort of like dry sheets enabled. Thanos has a paradox, but that's what he gets for Doing What He Did and Stones Adjacency.

Steve's just been in however many alternate realities that diverge at the point he joined them already in progress. Though somehow he comes from those to the bench but I'm not sure how 'sticky' they're supposed to be. Or if he got Pym Particles, an Alien Life, Tardis assist or ran into the Sliders crew.

[jenab]

I really enjoyed it and had a fun time watching it. I wasn't sure about Endgame after not liking Infinity War

I loved Steve lifting the hammer. I think everyone in the theater loved that. I also enjoyed Tony with his daughter.

I'm still not sure how I feel about Steve's ending and I hated that it had to be Natasha that died.

Since anything to do with time travel makes my brain hurt, I tend to just sit back and enjoy it without thinking about it.