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gwyn ([personal profile] gwyn) wrote2004-12-28 01:52 pm
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Down to the Wire

I'm in a monstrously grumptastic mood today, and one of the things I was thinking about this morning while grumbling through getting ready for work is how annoyed I am by the disappearance of conversation in my fannish life, how few people want to actually talk about anything and how the disparity between the fannish consumer and the fannish producer has grown even more pronounced and how much I hate that (the idea that because someone isn't a writer or vidder they have no intrinsic value sends me into a frenzy of anger), and mostly, how much I resent the fact that I have no more shows to review. That was the defining thing for me in starting this LJ: the chance to write the meta, generate discussion (even if sometimes the discussions haven't been pleasant), review and critique and dissect, and I have nothing to do that with anymore. Because of the asshat executives who cancelled both Firefly and Angel, the best shows -- the Jossverse -- for reviews are gone, and there is nothing currently airing that I either enjoy, or that is the kind of show worth reviewing. Much as I love Gilmore Girls, for instance, it's not a reviewy show the way Buffy, Angel, and Firefly were for me.

I don't like Lost (mark my words, JJ Abrams will only bring you heartache and misery) and only endure it for Naveen Andrews, and even with Alias and some new eps of Spooks/MI-5 and 24 coming up, I doubt there will really be anything reviewy there either. The only things I've had the slightest passing interest in this year are Kevin Hill (watchable solely for the luscious Taye Diggs), and Veronica Mars, but it doesn't always hold my interest, and isn't so far a review the next day type show. I miss the discussion, the analysis, the whole... fun of picking things apart and looking for deeper meanings. It makes me grumpy that I haven't got anything like that. The Shield will also be coming up, but... they lost me a while ago and now I watch more out of loyalty than anything. I loathe and despise the crime procedurals with the white hot fury of a thousand burning suns, but have to watch the despicable and cretinous CSI:NY for my favorite actor, Gary Sinise. The only procedural I give a crap about is Without a Trace and it's more a tribute to that cast and the personal storylines than anything else.

The best things are all on pay cable, which I can't afford. I will be waiting for the S2 discs of Dead Like Me, for a while, I'm sure, but look forward to seeing it; can't wait to watch Carnivale on something better than the horrible rainbowed dark and murky tapes we saw first season on, and eagerly await the ability to view the second season. The idea of more Deadwood is thrilling, too. But none of these are shows I can sink teeth into because I often won't see them for months and months and months after they air. One of my favorite discoveries so far is The Wire. I really like this series and am only to episode 5. I wish I'd had the chance to watch this series as it aired; it would have been interesting to review, especially because I have no idea half the time what's happening. I can't keep about 2/3 of the characters straight, and especially the different gang street wars confuse me, as do the relationships of the hateful, venal cops that McNulty battles with. (Plus, crime! While I'm writing a crime-based WIP, it's enormously helpful as research material.)

But when I get what's going on, what a wing-ding of a show it is. It's also one of the few shows I've seen that deals with homosexuality on a fairly realistic basis and challenges assumptions about its acceptance in these very tough, often discriminatory worlds. Not they don't also play it for a little prurient interest, as well, but it's fairer than most other shows could hope to be. Omar, the one criminal character who seems to be on opposite sides of the Barksdale group, in particular fascinates me: his elaborate cornrows and his cool facial scar; his obvious tender love of his boyfriend in a world where a homosexual man is most decidedly not welcome; his sarcastic wit and wary perspicacity; his amusing idiosyncracies such as not wanting his boyfriend to swear because it's uncouth and his friendliness to the cops... I could watch him alone on this show and be happy. I've never seen a young black male character, especially a drug-dealing homicidal thug, portrayed like this, and I'm mesmerized not just by the role but by the actor (and his boyfriend, as well). I have a bad feeling subsequent episodes will bring bad things for him, but I'm enjoying these, anyway.

I also like the lesbian cop McNulty works with, whose name totally escapes me right now. The actress is up and down, not always on top of the role, but the character has a really unusual background and relationships with people that I've never seen before, especially when most shows would just have her be the dyke cop in the background. Anyway, I have quite a few more S1 discs to get through, and am looking forward to seeing Aiden Gillen when he arrives. But this is the first show that feels rich enough in characters and story arcs to be a review-worthy outside of Deadwood, but like Deadwood, I'm seeing these so much later that I never have the chance to get down and dirty with them. I miss that, a lot. Most of the time I don't miss the grind of movie reviewing, but sometimes I do, and have been feeling the loss of writing my little post-ep TV reviews in LJ a lot this fall. The Wire is definitely a series worth that kind of attention. I'm almost thinking of investing in the discs becuase it would make such a great vidding show, as well, but I'll have to think about that.

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-12-29 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah... I mean, it's not that people didn't comment on Buffy or Angel with one or two lines of OMG I lvoed it! or something. But in general I felt there was more going on there than currently, and I also find that the larger fandom has become, the less conversation happens. The writers are all busy churning out their drabbles by the pound, and everything is directed toward feedbacking them; LJ isn't conducive to lengthy conversational threads... I dunno. I just am missing that whole environment. There's a lot of volume, but it all just sounds like static at times.
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[identity profile] moonchildetoo.livejournal.com 2004-12-30 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
I miss it too.

When LJ arrived, it quickly became Flavor of the Month as far as online fandom, and pretty much sounded the death knell for the heyday of regular ol' Yahooish discussion lists, which I think is a shame. There functions that a list fills that journals don't - primarily, it's a whole lot easier and less time consuming to respond to detailed discussions on a list. You can also choose to receive the posts in more than one way, and you don't have to go hunting for them (unless you want to).

I enjoyed multi-fandom/non fandom-specific lists which discussed fandom and slashdom in general, but they've pretty much disappeared - if not literally disappeared, then gone totally dead because of the stampede to journaling. I for one would welcome a comeback of such lists.

Yes - so very much of fandom these days is based around how much can you produce, how fast can you get a story out there, etc. There really are just consumers and producers, and the consumers don't seem to want to do anything but consume - there is precious little discussion of a fandom's characters, plots, relationships, etc. - the sort of discussion that encourages me to write. I've never been able to write in a vacuum, so if I have no discussion, I have no drive to write.

I am a writer (at least, I have written, though never prolifically), but I've written comparatively few stories and each takes me a while. That's just the sort of writer I am, it doesn't come easily to me, as far as motivation, energy and flow. The fandom I was most prolific in was when I was involved in the most discussion. As fannish discussion in general has dried up, so has my desire to write, because part of the kick I get out of writing is in the sharing/discussing, and it ain't happenin'.

It's also my opinion that in Days of Olde pre-Onelist, Yahoogroups, etc., when there were very few online discussion lists, period, because you had to run all the list software yourself, people appreciated the sense of community and maybe were more tolerant of various opinions and personalities because they wanted to be able to play in the pond. They stuck it out and continued because they enjoyed the feeling of belonging. When lists became a dime a dozen and you could start one in five minutes, anyone who had a momentary snit could start their own list, yadda, yadda, and there are now just too many lists, blogs, web sites, etc. and not enough fans to creating a good active talk-base. Sigh...

Will stop rambling now.

[identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com 2004-12-30 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad you did ramble -- becuase you're one of the few people who's agreed with me! I think it's just that a lot of folks don't have anything different to compare to. I came in to fandom when it was on the cusp of changing from a print culture to a web culture. I love the 'net and what it's brought us. But there just isn't any getting around the fact that it's also made us an instant gratification, disconnected, conversationless mass. You don't have to be involved to be a fan anymore; previously, you did. But more than anything, I think, I just miss the *recent* conversations that sprang up in the jossverse. His shows transcended the limitations of the disconnectedness we have now, and brought larger groups together for more discussion than you get with most fandoms. I was very spoiled the last two years. I'm really seeing that now, as it's gone away.
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[identity profile] moonchildetoo.livejournal.com 2004-12-31 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
I came in to fandom when it was on the cusp of changing from a print culture to a web culture. I love the 'net and what it's brought us. But there just isn't any getting around the fact that it's also made us an instant gratification, disconnected, conversationless mass.

I began to get involved in fandom just before/as home computers were starting to be affordable and more people were coming online, but my early fandom experience was firmly grounded in the zine/apa/paper blog culture, and in the fannish mentoring culture. The latter, I really miss. I know it still occurs online, but in person is just...better. More fulfilling.

I think the Buffyverse, like XFiles, appealed to a lot of people on a lot of levels. There was a lot of 'meat' there, much more than in the usual television show. Joss went deep, and all sorts of people appreciated that.