Welp

[gwyn]

So that was a thing that I saw.



Because I am petty and small and vindictive, I loved the fact that when Tony (and anyone else) first appeared on screen it was quiet, but when Steve appeared on screen our nearly sold-out theatre erupted into cheers and applause. Marvel has this idea that people only care about Iron Man and Spider-Man, and I loved hearing the audience prove them wrong, even if Marvel and especially Feige never listen. (Also loved the cheers for Thor and his axe.)

I leaned over at one point and said to minim calibre, who loves Cumberbatch and tolerates my intense hatred of him as an actor and Sherlock as a character he plays, "I am absolutely loving him in this. What is happening to me?" Every time he dragged Tony I wanted to high five him, he was freaking hilarious. I…the universe is unsettled. I not only liked Crumplesnatch, I liked freaking Dr. Strange, a character I have never cared one molecule for.

Totally called Red Skull. No one believed me when I said that.

I don't see this as producing a lot of fic, or at least, what I want to read. I see this as the fandom I've known and loved for four years, Steve/Bucky and the Cap Family (with Sam and Nat), either rage-quitting or just drifting away in sadness. I've watched this happen before to open canon fandoms with deaths or cast culling. I'm feeling very sad about this. I'd love it if fandom proved me wrong, but I've been in fandom a damn long time… And I'm already hearing from people that seeing Bucky die in front of Steve's eyes again was a bridge too far, even with comic-book rules.



I'm going to have to see it again just to process things. Plus catch all the lines I didn't hear!

Comments

[destina]

Oooh my god, I think the fic potential in this is endless, but then again, I'm a huge multi-shipper who throws canon out when I don't find it convenient. *g* It's too bad I don't have any time or energy to write, so I have to rely on fandom to cough it all up. What makes me saddest is that Steve lost his new BFF and his old BFF in the same minute. Ugh.

I really enjoyed the Dr. Strange movie, even tho I agree with you about Cumberbund, as you know. It's a good movie, tho. He's easier to look at with the goatee. Heh.

[kore]

Totally called Red Skull. No one believed me when I said that.

That is amazing!! How did you know?

I don't see this as producing a lot of fic, or at least, what I want to read.

I've been seeing a lot of people going "Well this is BETTER than when he was in the freezer in Wakanda" and I'm just like....really? Wha? Like, apparently they think he could be time-travelling or in another dimension or in Wonderland with Alice or whatever, but....it was pretty clear everyone died. I could fankwank them all going to the soul planet maybe, since that was where Teentsy Gamora? was, but how are they going to get out? They're just going to have to be rescued, so anythin anyone writes will be jossed. IDK. I know fandom loves to play with the narrative but that just felt nasty.

I see this as the fandom I've known and loved for four years, Steve/Bucky and the Cap Family (with Sam and Nat), either rage-quitting or just drifting away in sadness. I've watched this happen before to open canon fandoms with deaths or cast culling. I'm feeling very sad about this. I'd love it if fandom proved me wrong, but I've been in fandom a damn long time…

Well I keep meaning to write my latest Stucky fic! it's just sort of in that post-TWS bubble where I take a hard left at AoU and nobody's going to want to read it, heh. We might see booty-call-in-Wakanda fics? Again IDK. It seemed like Stucky fandom really stalled out after CW (altho people kept telling me no no, more and more fics are being written!....mostly modern AUs). I hope it doesn't happen even more now. But it feels like the same situation as CW: open-ended (like a LITERAL CLIFFHANGER, this time) but also too final (Bucky being frozen, Bucky being....IDEFK, smoke-disapparated).

And I'm already hearing from people that seeing Bucky die in front of Steve's eyes again was a bridge too far, even with comic-book rules.

Yeah, I don't want to see that. I saw a fucking terrible camrip and that was bad enough. I don't want to see that on the big screen. Steve carrying Peggy's coffin was bad enough in CW. (It doesn't help I think the Russos totally under-directed Evans in most of the clips I saw, like they did in CW.)

Marvel has this idea that people only care about Iron Man and Spider-Man

I've heard "Well they didn't have time for a big long farewell with Bucky and Steve, he was in shock, it was perfectly legit," and LOL with the long fucking operatic goodbyyyyyyyye with Tony and Peter. And in AoU Cap was the one dying in his arms! Feels like they really are phasing Cap out, and not in a great way.

Cumberbatch is an unsettlingly good actor. I saw him in Fifth Estate and as Guy Burgess in a BBC thing and was like, whoah, he really is them. I think I formed my impression of him in stuff that was just terrible, like BBC Sherlock or Imitation Game. He was about as terribly miscast in Hollow Crown as Hiddles.

[hypertwink]

Two words: Time Stone. I have hope.

But yes, I am heartbroken over Bucky (& Steve), but the heartbreak also came from areas I wasn't expecting: T'Challa & Okoye, Peter & Gamora in Knowhere, Peter & Tony, Fury & Hill.

p.s. I was surprised by Red Skull. Also, it's not Hugo Weaving, it's Ross Marquand who does great imitations/mimicry of actors and of Hugo Weaving apparently.

[giandujakiss]

Our theater cheered for Steve too! And for the first shots of Wakanda. It was great to see it with an enthusiastic bunch. Really awesome reactions to the ending sequences as well.

[kass]

I haven't seen it, and am not likely to do so -- honestly I don't feel like dealing with the sadness; is that ridiculous? -- I'm just going to stay in my happy bubble where everyone is alive and okay.

[spikedluv]

OMG! OMG, it was the same at our theater! And from comments I've read online, at many others. The first time the theater erupted into cheers (aside from small cheers when the lights dimmed) was when Steve made his first appearance. I was already primed to like it, but man did it get my heart pumping to hear the cheers. And when Thor and his ax landed in Wakanda everyone clapped. Two such great moments.

I was just the opposite after watching this; I expected there to be lots of fix-it fic, so I will be very disappointed if there aren't. I mean, I think Marvel is going to fix it after tearing out our hearts and laughing, but I would love to see the ideas fandom comes up with to do it.

I had the bare bones idea for a Steve | Steve/Bucky tag, and yeah, it was frelling SAD being from Steve's POV and all.

I'm definitely going to see it again, too. And maybe I'll take some notes.