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Just for the hell of it, since I had a little bit of space that probably wouldn't be used until after Vividcon, I put up a couple of old vids on my vids page. Turning them digital was a bit of a challenge, because the tape masters have gone wonky in a couple spots, and one I don't have the master copy of, which has gone very bad anyway, so I had to resort to a washed-out copy from our Media Cannibals tape 4. Anyway, I decided on digitizing these because they're really the only two vids that ever seem to get requests.

The first one is a multimedia vid to David Gilmour's "There's No Way Out of Here" done with Buffy, Scully, and Nikita (some people erroneously identify this as by Pink Floyd, but you won't find it on their albums). It was the first vid I ever made alone (back in the day, most people learned to vid by hooking up with someone and learning to drive from them), and we were just the shit because we had access to Katharine's super cool editing machine that allowed us to do the dissolves at the beginning and end -- something you couldn't do with VCRs. I never thought the vid would turn out to be so popular; it's always wigged me out that it was the first real vid I made on my own and that nothing I ever do will likely top it. People tell me that it was the first serious multimedia vid (most of them are usually pretty light and fun), but I don't really know if that's true or not. It's a huge file -- a QT file of 26.6 MB -- because it's a pretty hefty size vid: the song clocks in over five minutes, and there's a title credit that also adds to the file size. It was made after Buffy and Nikita season 2s had just ended, and XF season 4 had just finished. Some days, I think it would be lovely to recut it with all the nifty digital source, but the capture time alone for so many clips fills me with dread, so it's not gonna happen in this lifetime, when there are so many vids yet to make.

The Firefly vid isn't up just yet -- I keep losing my connection and I don't have high speed access, so I'll try again tonight; check back later. It was made just after the pilot had finally aired, and there's a zappy glitch on the tape, so that's come through in the webifying process. This one looks soooo much nicer on the shiny DVDs I keep offering people (free for a postage-paid envelope!). Boy, was timing the music for these tough, too. It took forever for me to get the song matched up to the video -- tape stretch, age, wear and tear... a girl could tear her hair out. Anyways, you'll need the password to access them; if you've already requested it, it's the same, and if you haven't, there's info on the page.

Speaking of tearing hair out. I didn't end up doing a usage post because I felt so demoralized and stupid and worthless after the test I took Friday that it's hard for me to get my head up. I've never in my life seen anything like this, and I've taken a lot of tests (and I suck at the editing tests, but I still think I'm a good editor). It was like every nightmare test put together, and then exponentially made worse. It was clearly designed by committee -- I've created editing tests before, so I can spot these a mile away -- and the committee was made up of snottier-than-thou little dorks who think that by creating something terrible, they're finding the perfect candidate. The first of nine pages was a spelling test, and somehow as if by magic they'd managed to find all of my bad words -- words I can never ever spell right, and so I always, always double check them with the spelling tool or a dictionary if I see them in copy. And my brain was in total spazz mode because I had no warning about the test -- found out about it late at night, had to go in in the morning -- so I did dumb things like fix marshall law to be marshal, as in US, not martial, as in court martial military. I mean, I know this, but I'm sitting there staring at my bad words all laid out in front of me, and something that in a thousand years would never get past my eagle eye... I just fuck it right up. Because I hate tests so much I go tharn.

So then the next page turns out to be three pages -- of this weird two column text thing of gibberish that you're supposed to edit to match the other column. Essentially both of these tests are pattern matching: you get a list of misspelled or correctly spelled words out of context, and you have to mentally match the patterns in your head with what you know, and the other one you're matching nonsense text that almost kind makes sense, so it's a totally visual exercise. Did I mention I suck at pattern matching? I can spot even my bad words when they're in copy, but I often can't when they're outside, on their own. Then the next page was this list of historical events and you're supposed to tell them the date. Some stuff I know, like when men landed on the moon, and all that. But some of them were there just to make you look like an ass -- the landmark desegregation decision Brown v. Board of Education, the founding of Microsoft. I mean, who the hell carries around that kind of crap in their head? Who *wants* to? On an average job day in all the... oh, 20 years I've been doing this, I've never needed to know off the top of my head when a Supreme Court decision was made, and if I did need to know it, I WOULD LOOK IT UP. That's what I hate most about these tests -- no references, when to me, the sign of a good copyeditor is a person who knows what they're good at and what they're not, and looks stuff up. Knows where and how to verify any facts. Beneath that part of the test were... get this: math story problems. I just wrote "Sorry, math not a strong suit." I felt like freakin' Dr. McCoy -- "I'm a copyeditor, dammit, not a math teacher!"

So then the next page was a list of famous people and you had to tell who they were. I left four of them blank, because not only did I not know, I could not possibly care less, especially when you're asking me to ID different members of the Gates family. I would, you know, look that up in the references. The next page, because this isn't enough wanking and intimidation, is a page of places, and you're supposed to tell what they are and where. I left some of these blank, because I'm just not familiar on a daily basis with what I came home to find out was the lower houses of the Russian parlaiment. There were trick questions, too, and the oh so aren't we clever trick of adding in the islands of Langerhans (which I at least could say was in the human body, though I didn't know it was specifically the pancreas). Then the last pages were these three little stories I was supposd to edit for AP style and write headlines for. Problem, though, was that I had no idea what they were taken from, so it's kinda hard to write a headline when you don't know what you're looking at -- book review? Opinion piece? Makes a difference. I could only remember about half my AP style stuff -- I've been using MSTP (manual of style for tech pubs) with Chicago as a backup for about five years pretty exclusively, and they didn't give me time for a refresher, so I'm sure I missed a lot of the stuff that's peculiar to AP. And I didn't know how Monica Lewinsky's name was spelled (I think I spelled it wrong), because... you know, I don't care, so I just wrote in the margins on the names that I would verify all names and spellings if I HAD REFERENCES AVAILABLE. In the past five years, I've needed to keep room in my head for things like whether Visual C++ is a circle R trademark, or a TM trademark, and such like. I haven't cleared out space in my mind for worthless bimbos or morons in Bush's cabinet. You know -- I'd take a few days to readjust, empty the cache, and start collecting new data.

It was two hours, and by the time I left I knew I'd made so many mistakes they would not call for an interview. So now I'm pretty much stuck with the fact that even for stuff I can do, I won't qualify or get through the process over there. My feelings about the evil empire won't matter, because I won't be able to get even the contract jobs where they're desperate for a body, because they think these tests are cool. Everyone at dinner the other night poo-poohed my experience, saying that's always what MS does on the interviews, but first, it was a stupid test, not an interview, and it was up at the agency -- which is why I had four people constantly talking and shouting and coming in and out of the room -- and so I haven't even had the horrible interview. I've interviewed there twice before, and both of them were weird but not horrible and hostile. This test was horrible and hostile and I'm convinced it's what one person said, a stress test to see how long I'd last before I'd crack. I cracked right away, when I saw all my bad words there on the page and knew I was fucked. Not even any questions about dangling modifiers! I could really show my stuff then... but unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

So needless to say, I'm not feeling very competent editory. I spent most of the weekend trying not to cry (I waver between misery and anger), and now as I write this I'm getting all sniffly. I feel like my future just sucks -- it's going to be test after test, which I hate and am lousy at, and I'll run out of unemployment, and go to work at Wendy's, and write nasty notes to fanfic writers to take out my editorly misery on them. I really don't think I'm a bad copyeditor, but I am a terrible test taker, especially when the tests have been designed by lunatics with too much time on their hands, but there's no way I can convince people of this when the gateway is always a test.

Date: 2004-04-19 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jidabug.livejournal.com
*hugs* That test sounds simply dreadful and not at all a fair test of your editing skills. I don't think you should beat yourself up over it at all, because they're clearly sadistic schmucks. I honestly don't see the point of closed-book tests. *hugs again*

Date: 2004-04-19 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
I think the worst part of it is that I'm feeling pretty shaky about myself -- being singled out to be "laid off," being the bridesmaid again for the Dream Freelance Job and losing out on that, and then stuff like this... it makes an already pretty tottery self-esteem just about ready to collapse. All I can do is make a cheat sheet of my bad words, and pray for the best.

Date: 2004-04-19 12:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] cathexys.livejournal.com
*hugs* those tests sound utterly ridiculous!!! why would you test someone in a situation so unlike the one you'll be working in...and what's that gates obsession???

so sorry about such a sucky experience!!!

just emailed you about passwd, b/c the one i had didn't work and i'm looking fwd to seeing the not-pink floyd vid :-)

Date: 2004-04-19 01:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] klia.livejournal.com
The people who conceived of that test really need a good slapping. WHO knows answers to such diverse (and off-topic) questions off the top of their head? No one I know. Gah.

I know I'm probably the last person you want to hear this from, but you will *never* end up at Wendy's, or doing crappy, menial jobs, because you're too smart, and you're too good a writer and editor. I really do think the job market is looking up (in the past few weeks, two friends have commented to me how they've had several options, where a year, or even a few months ago, they had none), and though it'll take some time, I know you'll find something good in your field.

Date: 2004-04-19 10:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
And I didn't even tell the half of it! I started getting sarcastic after a while, once I got pissed (you know how I am). For the location of Ayers Rock, I wrote "Big red rock in middle of Australia." And other responses like that. Probably didn't help me.

I know people say stuff is picking up, but... I don't see it much in my field, and if these types of tests are going to be a regular thing, i may never get the few opportunities that are out there. It's hard... at least I can work, though, and no one is telling me I'm crazy... yet. ;-)

Date: 2004-04-20 07:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] klia.livejournal.com
For the location of Ayers Rock, I wrote "Big red rock in middle of Australia."

Heh. Good one.

Oh, so it was a geography test, too? Geez!

And other responses like that. Probably didn't help me.

I don't blame you. Honestly, I fail to see the significance of most of the questions you mentioned. What do they have to do with *anything*?

Keeping my fingers crossed for you, hoping for a lot more job possibilities and *no more idiotic tests*.

Date: 2004-04-19 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superplin.livejournal.com
I've had to take similar tests for translating, and I despise them as well. (I once also had to interview with the--Italian--in-house interpreter of an agency to demonstrate my English conversation skills. That was... kind of surreal.) Anyway, I know exactly what you mean about the ridiculousness of not being able to rely on your regular tools. I imagine editing is a lot like translating, where true skill lies both in knowledge and experience, and in having put together an arsenal of reference materials/sources and knowing how to use them quickly and to best advantage. While I could understand wanting to interview for interpreting positions, I never could figure out what they thought they were proving by having me translate a text about, say, engine parts without any of my dictionaries or personal glossaries handy.

Eventually the trend moved more to sending texts to be translated at home, at one's leisure (or at most by a set deadline, just like a regular job assignment). Are there no places that administer editing tests this way? It would make a lot more sense, and give them a much more accurate idea of your true skill and style. Someone who truly doesn't know what they're doing isn't going to do spectacularly well even under those kinds of conditions, and someone who does know what they're doing can really show what they've got.

I'm terribly frustrated on your behalf. (Which I realize isn't worth much, but it's all I've got at the moment.)

Date: 2004-04-19 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Yeah, it sounds like you know the drill! I know that people like to see something they can quantify -- but the thing is, when I used to make up editing tests (I've done it at three places I've worked), I've made every effort to provide something to an applicant that's indicative of the work they'd do, so I could see what they were capable of. Not what they had stored in their head just in case they were able to remember stupid dates of Supreme Court cases, but an actual piece of copy with a few errors and style issues, to give an idea. But these tests where they cram it with errors and want you to have memorized a style book... what does that prove? I think they're so small-minded on these things that they can't make big picture decisions, so they do this and it's just... doesn't prove a thing.

The person who took over my newspaper after I left did very well on the test that everyone else took from me and made worse after my departure. She turned out to be a bad managing editor, and no one liked working with her and she didn't know how to really manage the publication. But hey! Did great on the test!

Book publishers usually send you a test and expect you to take it at home, within a certain amount of time. But... for regular job jobs, I've never yet met a person who didn't slap some stupid test in front of me and expect that to be a magic 8-ball.

Date: 2004-04-19 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] umbo.livejournal.com
That test sounds completely stupid and ridiculous--seriously, kudos to you just for finishing it! Remember to keep breathing, and that things *will* happen for you.

*big, big hugs*

Date: 2004-04-19 03:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sdwolfpup.livejournal.com
Editor tests always seemed very difficult to me. In my tech writing courses we were allowed to use references, but it seems like that's almost false advertising from your experience. What's really ironic to me is that so many tech writer positions list 'experience' as the most important quality. I'm not sure if copyediting is a slightly different world in that way? I wish you the best in your continued job search.

(Also, I read your 100 Things About You in your memories and was taken aback at how many sounded like me - like the ear scarring from childhood infections and weird hearing resulting as an adult. I have so much trouble clearing my ears out that I actually am unable to go SCUBA diving because of it.)

Date: 2004-04-19 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Hey, fellow ear person! heee. (My first partner told me once I could never be a diver because I couldn't do repetitive dive charts and because of my ears)

They do always want people who are experienced and who can handle pressure and deadlines and fast paced environments. That's almost always part of the description -- and then they give you a test and that's supposed to be your defining thing, I guess. I hate it!

Date: 2004-04-19 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nwhepcat.livejournal.com
::hugs:: That sounds horrible.

Any way you could send them a note thanking (::cough::) them for the test thing (the way you'd send one for an interview), but adding that you're not a good test-taker but have edited for X-years, something like that? Seems like it couldn't make things worse. It's a known phenomenon that many smart people don't do their best at timed tests. I mean, yeah, editors don't KNOW all that stuff (though they know some of it), they just know where to look it up!

STORY PROBLEMS?!

Date: 2004-04-19 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Yeah, math story problems. As if!

I spent all weekend and all today agonizing about whether I should say anything to the recruiter who's been dealing with me. I mean, if she can't place people for these openings, she won't get paid, so it behooves her to help her clients, because then it keeps her people in the contract jobs. And I couldn't figure out what to say that wouldn't sound lame, but I ended up just sending a note a few minutes ago saying it was a pleasure to meet her in person, and that I realized how badly I did on the test and so wasn't really expecting an interview after all (this thing went from "interview right away" to "test right away" and I figured that no call for interview today was a bad sign), but that I appreciated the chance. I said I'm a good editor, but a terrible test-taker, and that I wasn't mentally prepared as I should have been -- and that I hadn't taken a test quite like that in my 15+ years of editing. I don't know if it will turn out to be a mistake, or not, but... I felt like I had to say something, if for no other reason than that I don't want her to give up on me before I've started!

Date: 2004-04-19 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiashome.livejournal.com
::hugs you tight and beats the test over the head with a big stick::
I don't think employers focus on the results of those tests, seriously. It's your experience and potential that count -- and you have tons in those areas. You'd be an asset anywhere and smart companies will see that right away.

::puts on Miss Cleo's turban and beads::
I don't see Wendy's in your future, so don't worry ;-)

Date: 2004-04-19 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
It seems like at MS, they do judge you on things like this, but it's hard to say -- you'd definitely know more than me! I wish I felt like my experience counted, but it seems like they never care about my excellent resume, just my stupid tests. Arg! I wish I could be something like a bricklayer or something -- I need a job where no one asks me to take any more stupid tests!

Next time you play Miss Cleo, ask about any handsome men, too, okay? ;-)

Date: 2004-04-19 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] przed.livejournal.com
I really think that the people who come up with these naff tests ought to be made to take them. *hugs*

Date: 2004-04-19 06:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] varina8.livejournal.com
The test sounds ridiculous and grim. I always get the feeling these things are created by people who have never done the actual work. I've seen your editing. Fries and shakes are not in your future (unless you are on the customer side of the counter).

Date: 2004-04-19 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Sometimes, lately, I find myself longing for a stupid job. I know they won't pay anything, but... neither does editing! So there's this part of me that almost wants to see how fetching the little dorky hats at Hot Dog on a Stick look on me (though red and yellow are not great on me in combination). Because then I could just forget about it all and focus on hating lunch customers. ;-)

Date: 2004-04-20 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ascian3.livejournal.com
My boss just got laid off and we're supposed to be hiring another writer instead (yeah, you do the math - companies are stupid). My new boss is a woman of very little imagination and her very first suggestion about the new candidate was "Well, I think we should figure out a test for the candidates." I can't express what a horrible idea I think this is - frankly I think it says nothing about the person other than how good they are at taking tests - but I loathe the idea of inflicting this sort of torture on people. (Also, in the back of my mind, I'm thinking about how much I'd hate having it inflicted on me in an interview.)

It's some sort of malaise of small minds, I think. The worst thing is that I think it's going to get us a terrible candidate.

Date: 2004-04-20 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onetwomany.livejournal.com
The test sounds downright stupid, and more a test of your ability to handle really dumb and pointless exercises in sadism than editorial ability. It's so weird that people place that must emphasis on closed book stuff, cause who is really gonna do editing work without a dictionary handy? I'd love to say it's their loss, but it's unfortunately yours, and it's so very unfair. Try to keep your head up, cause something will come your way, and hopefully something that's every bit as great as you deserve. ::crosses fingers and sends good vibes::

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