Ancient history

[gwyn]

Hey fam--this is the first of two posts that I have about plans for Vividcon, specifically crowd-sourcing information and help.

For this one, I need help with the ancient history of vidding--I'm doing a retrospective show on vidding from before the Vividcon era. ETA: I should clarify this: It's not the lists of cons or fandoms or whatever I need help with--it's recommendations and ideas for actual vids I could include. Just having lists of vid names or vidders is not really any use if I have no idea what the vid is like, so personal recommendations or people who can give me those is the most useful.

It's relatively easy for me to go back through the DVDs from Escapade and from individual vidders dating to before 2002, but not so much before the DVD era, because I can't view tapes any longer and most of the folks I know who kept tape collections with run lists and liner notes are either gone now or the ones still alive haven't kept their tapes. And I'd really like to include some things beyond my sphere of influence (eg Escapade, mostly, and the vidders who used to hang out with the Media Cannibals in some form or another). I'd love to not have them all be clustered in the very late '90s/early aughts.

So that would be places like RevelCon, and MediaWest and Zebracon, and the East Coast cons I never really knew much about and whose names I can no longer remember, as well as some fandom-specific cons like the S&H one, I think there were a number of Trek ones, and at least one Professionals one I recall. And there were groups like Cali Crew and others who put out collections or vidded together, but again, just trying to figure out where and when is a little overwhelming for me right now to do solo. Actual concrete info would be most helpful here--I have a pretty good memory but more people telling me what those vids are will help jog my memory.

Not that I necessarily know how I'll get my hands on some of the vids even if anyone has some suggestions, but I'd love to at least have a giant list of suggestions I can research from. I have a few I know I'd like to include, but I think this will be a tough one for me to do.

Also, if you think some of your flist might have ideas, and you wouldn't mind posting a link here or tweeting it or whatever you do social mediawise (I don't twitter or facebook), I'd absolutely love to have people drop by with some ideas. The more the merrier (at least merrier me).

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[kass]

Oh, wow. I look really forward to this. :-)

[muccamukk]

Do you know esteven over in M&C fandom? She was in Highlander, Pros, S&H and TOS back in the day, and miiiiiight have some stuff like that. It'd be worth pinging her, though I think she's on vacation this month.

I PMed her anyway.

[gwyn]

I don't know her, no, but that sounds like it could be very helpful, thank you for pinging her!

[morgandawn]

I can help with a list of conventions. To the extent we know anything about the fanvids, we've put that info on Fanlore.

If you get names of vids/vidders I can also help track them down.

And last, I'll email this to Scott Clark (Mediawest)
Flamingo (Starsky Hutch vids)
and anyone else I can think of

I did some research about early vid shows here
https://vidders.github.io/articles/vidding/history.html

Zebracon
Info about the first vids that were shown can be found under each year
https://fanlore.org/wiki/ZebraCon

When Zebracon started formal vid shows, we have a dedicated page
https://fanlore.org/wiki/ZebraCon/Vid_Show

Mediawest was (and is horrible) for keeping track of fanvids and we have little info

General info here:
https://fanlore.org/wiki/MediaWest*Con#Song_Video_Contest

And when someone mentioned a stray vid in a con report you will find it under the year
https://fanlore.org/wiki/MediaWest*Con#More_Specific_Information_on_Individual_Years

Early Starsky Hutch conventions include SH101 and The Paul Muni Special
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Category:Starsky_%26_Hutch_Conventions

Other cons: Connexions (1998-)
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Connexions

Revelcon (1990-present)
https://fanlore.org/wiki/RevelCon

Eclecticon (NJ): 1994-
https://fanlore.org/wiki/EclectiCon_(New_Jersey)

Friscon (1993-2000)
https://fanlore.org/wiki/FriscoN

Two Star trek conventions from the 1980s

Calic-con (1989 and 1990) has info about vids
https://fanlore.org/wiki/Koon-ut-Cali-Con

IDICon (1984-1988)
https://fanlore.org/wiki/IDICon

The possible Pros Con
Weekend In The Country (1987-1995)
https://fanlore.org/wiki/A_Weekend_in_the_Country_(US)

[morgandawn]

Scott Clark said he'll look through his lists of Mediawest vids

Re Zcon (1980)
https://fanlore.org/wiki/ZebraCon/1980#Watching_Vids

1981
https://fanlore.org/wiki/ZebraCon/1981#Watching_Vids

[bironic]

I was coming here to recommend that gwyn talk to you!

[gwyn]

The big problem is that lists of titles won't really do a lot to help me--if I see something I recognize, it might jog my memory, but recs or personal lists/ideas are more helpful, in that I likely haven't seen a lot of these myself, or if I did it was 20+ years ago. And I have things like Diana Barbour's vids but they're in formats I can't view anymore.

It's really tough to put together a vid show if you haven't seen the vids, and I was hoping to use some '70-'80s vids that haven't been seen a lot, but I may just have to put that wish aside. I mean, I'll definitely go through the lists, but I don't know that they'll give me a lot to work with. If you have any personal recs, I would love those.

[morgandawn]

Will do. Scott says he can pull a rec list...check your email as he had questions.

[kirbyfest]

I have a friend who's a wealth of MediaWest vidding knowledge. A couple, actually. I'll post and send them your way.

[gwyn]

Thank you!

[killabeez]

The non-MC ones that leapt to mind for me were some I saw at Zebracon in 1997 and 1999. Here are a few that stand out in my memory:

1997
Don't You Forget About Me (HL - Lynn C)
I, Huckleberry Me (Pros - Sylvia Bond)
I Remember LA (S&H - Tolbran)

and I think I also saw these at that same convention, though they're not on the playlist:
Building a Mystery (HL - Central Consortium)

1999
Shades of Gray (HL - Melina)
Living La Vida Loca (S&H - Flamingo)
Veli and Mommy and Daddy (XF - Carol S) ETA: Oh, and We Care a Lot!
Orange Colored Sky - (Sentinel - Glo Ro Productions, I think?)
Shame (HL - Megan Kent - and I have the remaster of this if needed)

[gwyn]

Oh thank you--I of course cannot find for the life of me that list you and I were making a few months ago. So this is enormously helpful. (Especially Central Consortium, I could NOT for all the tea in China recall that name!)

Didn't you, at some point back there, remaster some classic Trek vids? I would absolutely love one of those if I could get one.

[killabeez]

The only one I did was I Dreamed a Dream by Chris Soto. Happy to send it to you. (Here are the 3 vids of hers that have shown at VVC: http://vividcon.info/creators/121/)

ETA: I want to mention a Wild Wild West vid that Deejay did to Chrome-Plated Heart. I remember really loving that song choice. Don't remember a lot more about the vid except that when I was really into WWW, it was my fave. ♥

[wickedwords]

I think I have the videotapes that you are looking for. I have a big box with old fannish songtapes, including MC and WOAD from the turn of the century, plus ones from before then. I also have a VCR you could borrow if you wanted to play any of them. Let me know if you want 'em.

[gwyn]

I will text you--if your schedule allows it might be great to get together.

[wickedwords]

Plan! I am open M-W next week, and M-T the week before memorial day. I am very close to 'completely open' the week after. :)

[morgandawn]

If you decide you like some of the vids, ping me and I can see if they have been digitized.

[morgandawn]

I have most of these digitized, so let me know if you need copies.

Starsky Hutch
* From the first vids by Kendra and Diana (1980s) - Behind Blue Eyes, All the Time, The Boy Can't Help It, The Rose and Beep Beep.
*Starsky & Hutch vid "Old Yellow Car" (Mary Van D/DJ)
*Jennifer H's vids (Secure Yourself to Heaven, Dont Use Your Penis)
*"I Remember LA" (Celine Dion) by vidder Tolbran.
*"The Tide Slowly" Turning sung by Moody Blues (song set to the "Ocean Scene" from the episode "Targets Without a Badge") Vidder Carol Davis


From Later Zcons (1990s)
*No One Is To Blame Chicago Loop (XFiles)
*"Crucify" (Homicide) by Pam Rose and Katharine Scarritt
*"Orange Colored Sky" (The Sentinel) by Gloria (winner of Best Tech and best Overall
*Discovery Channel/Bad Touch (2000) (Starsky Hutch) Vidder: Flamingo


Blake's 7 - 1980s-1990s
*Walking and Falling (Gayle F with Tashery S)
*Studs in Black Leather (filk song by Jillian Courtenay that pairs "Nights in White Satin" with fandom's fetish for men in black leather). From a fan in 1993: "I find the songtape doubly amusing because the original song was a Mary Sue fantasy of the fan dreaming about Avon, and the songtape turns it into Vila dreaming about Avon and Blake. A nice turning-around."
*Continental Drift(Tashery S) (Rolling Stones)
*I'd Do Anything for Love (But I Won't Do That). Song by Meat Loaf Vid by RandyM


Wiseguy
*Lynn C. and Tashery Shannon - Nights in White Satin by Lynn C. and Tashery Shannon (Sarran Songs) - an impressive blending in music and soundtrack in the analog era to retell the arc of Sonny and Vinnie's relationship (1990s)
*Judy Chien did a number of WG vids


Miami Vice
*Cybel Harper It's a Jungle Out There (before June 1993)
*Cybel Harper Just Another Day
*End of the Night by Gayle F. (a vid focusing on Sonny's alter ego amnesia arc)

MUNCLE
*Carolyn C. - So Happy Together by The Turtles
*Central Consortium You're So Vain (Napoleon Solo vid)
*DJ Driscoll Winds of Change - 1992

Professionals
*Cybel Harper - It's a Sin by Pet Shop Boys - remastered Oct 2008
*Katharine Scarritt - Land of Confusion by Genesis
*Kath H.with [Ruby J.]: Man of War - Dorsai filk by Kathy Mar
*Pros Too Long A Soldier Pat Benitar D.J. Driscoll

Quantum Leap
*And So It Goes Julie B. Quantum Leap Revelcon 1991

Misc
*The Night Chicago Died (winner "Best Mixed Fandom - Law Enforcement Theme") Maura L. Kelly/California Crew The Untouchables (1994)

[seekingferret]

Don't know if this is of interest to you: https://jetpack-monkey.dreamwidth.org/477586.html

[klia]

If you're interested in any of the B7 vids Tashery and I made back in the late '80s, listed on Fanlore: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Sarran_Songs -- I have digitized copies. Most were never shown at cons -- or to more than a handful of people, even. And most are either character studies or B/A, but there are a few twisted "comedy" vids, as well -- Somewhere Over the Rainbow, If I Only Had a Brain, and The Lumberjack Song. Let me know if you're interested. I always thought the Cally vid, 2000 Light Years from Home, was really interesting.

Every Breath You Take (B/A) is up for dl on our site (pteropus.com), if you want to take a look at one (keep in mind, we were using an editing machine without flying erase heads). It was in the 1989 Koon-ut-Cali-Con vid contest (and won something like Most Romantic -- which, no).

There are a bunch of ancient, mid-late '90s vids of Kay's and mine up on our site, as well, that were on our VHS tape.