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I saw this today in IMDB's news section, and it made me laugh:
Reports the punk legend Johnny Ramone is dying of prostrate cancer have been wildly exaggerated - according to his wife Lydia.

So apparently there are rumors that Johnny has cancer from lying down, or something. The word they wanted, of course, was prostate. Which led me to think about what to post usage-wise, and then I remembered that I've been hanging on to my own personal peeve for a really long time, and haven't addressed it in favor of other more confusing issues. There's really not a good way to overcome homophone/homonym abuse, to be honest, other than developing a good eye and spelling/word skills. It's an especially thorny issue to address, because there are so many words and problems with words that fall under this rubric that I almost don't know where to start -- and assume I might end up doing this in multiple posts.

Today, I wanted to at least start with identifying the concept. A homonym is most often a word that has the same pronunciation (often spelling, too) as another, but that has a different meaning. A homophone is similar, where the words are spelled differently, but pronounced similarly -- but they mean different things. (Think medal/meddle; taught/taut; pore/pour; compliment/complement, the classic there/their/they're, your/you're; and so on ad infinitum.) There's another term often used by grammarians but that I rarely see used in casual discussion, homograph, which is not really much different from the more general term homonym, and are words spelled alike but with different meanings and usually with different pronunciations (lead, [pr. leed], meaning “to conduct,” and lead, [pr. led], the name of the metal). (And just because it's the one thing that can send me into fits of apoplexy, the past tense of the verb to lead? Is led, not lead. So there.) Most folks stick to homophone and homonym when they're talking about these words, so I will too, just for simplicity's sake. Most of you who know this stuff know it, and those of you who don't and asked me to do this would probably prefer to keep it simple, non?

So technically, my example above isn't really in this category at all -- prostrate and prostate are spelled differently, pronounced differently, and one important letter makes them entirely different words. But it still serves as a good example, just because how we hear things, and how we say things, often influences our writing far more than we may realize, and if we're not cautious, we can make some serious blunders because we may not know the difference between certain words we pick. A lot of people hear the r in prostate -- they actually don't really realize there's no r there, because the more common word they probably heard growing up (before we all started learning about men's prostate glands, ah those were the days, weren't they?) was prostrate -- "Spike has heat prostration" or "Starsky is lying prostrate on the floor because he's seriously drunk."

The problem is compounded, too, by people who either don't read much, or who read but never really notice the words they're seeing on the page. They make no connection to the word they've heard and the word as it's spelled in print, so if they don't hear the d in iced tea, they believe it's ice tea all their life. The way speech lets us ellide letter sounds into each other, or skip them altogether, means that if someone has no ability or inclination to remember how that word looks in print, they'll perpetuate some truly irritating or hilarious mistakes. Or we hear phrases or words all our lives, but we never see them in print, so we don't know what they look like (one of my favorite examples was someone who wrote "loaded for bare" which I liked thinking about for its abstract possibilities. The person had heard, but never seen written down, the expression, and didn't understand that it meant a gun with a load [bullet heavy enough] that can take out a bear). There are tons of reasons for this, but what's frustrating for readers who know their stuff is that so many people who write amateur fiction never bother to check their work, or try to learn where they're abusing H/H (because I am lazy and can't type, I'm calling homonyms and homophones H/H).

There was a story that had achieved a kind of legendary status in X-Files fandom that I never understood (the status, not the story). Not only was it, to my eyes, an incredible case of character rape for both Mulder and Scully, but the writers thought they were just the shit, and had no interest in a beta reader. So the novel was peppered with enough H/H abuse to choke a cow, and at one point I counted 12 examples on my computer screen of seriously egregious mistakes -- and that wasn't including all the their/there/they're mistakes, nor the your/you're. If they weren't outright H/H errors, they were just the writers' ideas, apparently, of phonetic spellings of words they had no idea how to spell and couldn't be bothered to spell check. My personal favorite, that I trot out at parties all the time, was "architextural drawing." Because, you know, there's a word texture, and there's a word architecture, so presumably they must be spelled the same, right? I despised this piece so much, but what really made my head go boom was that not one person I knew -- not one grammar bitch or spelling dominatrix -- was annoyed by it. They were all, oh, the story's so great, I didn't notice. And I was just boggled by this. To me, that's one of many things that makes a story bad.

Phonetic spelling like that is always dangerous, but most often, spell checkers will catch the error words that have no corresponding real word, so if we use them we can be alerted to some of the more obvious troubles. Spell checkers, however, will not catch true H/H problems. It won't know that you want the word grate in there, not great, or which of the there/their/they'res you need. I love the little Webster's Pocket Dictionary for this reason -- it's tiny so takes up little space, and it lists how to spell words, but best of all, it gives you the other problem words if there is confusion. So the listing for compliment gives you the spelling, and then notes that this word means a comment of praise, but complement means something that enhances something else. A lot of these problems can easily be fixed with a quick consult of a reference; the problem is that many people may not know they need a reference.

And that's the tricky part, because fan writing is a culture nowadays of not saying anything critical to anyone because so few people can take constructive crit. So folks just plow on writing sentences like "The grate thing about life at Hogwarts was that Harry new he was'nt a lone and their were other wizards near-bye." And sadly, most people will continue to read them and not understand that this is wrong; the people who know this will be off beta-reading for the really standout authors.

So now that I've defined the concept, next time I'll try to get into some of the most common mistakes and trickiest distinctions. I think that will be a long post. In the meantime, just remember that led is the past tense of to lead (as in "Wes didn't know how to lead Faith on the path to righteousness" but "Buffy led Spike down the garden path"), and it sounds just like lead, the metal. It may not get you very far, but I will love you.

Date: 2004-06-18 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kassrachel.livejournal.com
And that's the tricky part, because fan writing is a culture nowadays of not saying anything critical to anyone because so few people can take constructive crit.

This makes me realize to what extent I've self-selected my fannish friends and acquaintances; I tend to forget that there are vast realms within fandom where criticism is taboo. (And where people don't care about spelling and grammar, for that matter. Hm. Coincidence?)

Anyway. Your posts on grammar and usage always make me happy.

Date: 2004-06-18 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
I like to think that more of the people I know can take crit, but when I try in reality to provide it, whether through beta or whatever, it's not as easy as I think it's going to be. I've still lost friends even for the most carefully worded things -- but OTOH, people seem to understand they can approach me with stuf they don't like, so so far that's worked on my end, at least. It's just such a crapshoot these days, usually in favor of the pollyannas.

Date: 2004-06-18 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harmonyfb.livejournal.com
To me, that's one of many things that makes a story bad.

YES! YES! A thousand times, YES!

I give any author a two-word handicap. Everyone has one of those words that they cannot remember how to spell, or they're constantly typing one for the other inadvertently. I'll even forgive one screwed up phrase (like "tow the line" when they mean "toe the line"). But no more than those.

Because if it's riddled with so many grammatical/spelling errors that it resembles one of those avant-garde poems ("Dancing in wild abdomen"), then it is bad by definition. Why would I willingly read it, when there are so many good stories out there?

Date: 2004-06-18 11:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harmonyfb.livejournal.com
So...naturally I express myself clumsily. Oy.

"...or has a word which they're forever typing inadvertently for another (ie, "weird" for "wyrd")."

Not sure that's much better. Hopefully, you can still suss out my meaning.

Date: 2004-06-18 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Yeah, I do know exactly what you mean. Once is an accident, two times is getting close to careless, and three times pretty much tells me you don't know what you're doing. Life is way too short. Many of my friends go on and on about the value of learning to speedbump things like that so they can get their fix of whoever they're hot for. Me, I'm hot for good writing, and I can't imagine willingly overlooking bad mechanics just for the sake of reading some stupid fanfic. Life is just... too... short.

Date: 2004-06-19 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harmonyfb.livejournal.com
three times pretty much tells me you don't know what you're doing

Or don't care. And that's even worse.

And hey - if you ever feel the need to critically review fic of mine? Have at it. I worked ad copy for 15 years; my ego is not fragile. (When you have buyers scrawl "this sucks!!!!" in red ink across your copy, you get over that sensitive crap.)

Date: 2004-06-18 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] par-avion.livejournal.com
This isn't a homograph, but I find it amusing, so I will share the story. There's a well-known Gershwin song "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off."

You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to,
You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to

etc.

So, a teenager performs this as an audition piece, except she sings:

You say po-tay-to, I say po-tay-to,
You say to-may-to, I say to-may-to...


It boggles my mind. What on earth does she think the song is about if she pronounces the words the same way?

Date: 2004-06-18 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Ohmigod... I saw the first Saturday Night Live show a while ago that I'd seen in years, and it was a sort of best appearances of my darling Christopher Walken. The opening monologue they chose was him doing a tuxedoed soft-shoe to that, singing it exactly that way. Jimmy Fallon, I think is his name, came out and tried to explain the point of the song. Hilarity ensued, and by the end of the routine, Walken had Fallon singing it his way. Very cute, but then, it was done as a joke. Which, you know...

Date: 2004-06-18 11:52 am (UTC)
ext_7351: (Buffy does her seti impression)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_jems_/
Thank you for the led/lead distinction, now I just wish everyone would read this post! I see it used incorrectly so often that I was seriously starting to worry that I'd been wrong all these years.

Date: 2004-06-18 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
I mostly do try to be even tempered about it, but that one sets me off a lot. A friend once told me she couldn't be bothered to remember, so she didn't care enough to get it right all the time -- but she wanted to be an editor!

Date: 2004-06-18 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unovis.livejournal.com
Pique! Pique! Pique!
There is no such expression as "peaked his interest."

Thanks for this cry in the wilderness.

Date: 2004-06-18 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
I'm assuming you've seen this old chestnut poem that's been around since the dawn of time?

I have a spelling checker.
It came with my PC.
It plane lee marks four my revue
Miss steaks aye can knot see.

Eye ran this poem threw it.
Your sure real glad two no.
Its very polished in its weigh,
My checker tolled me sew.

A checker is a blessing.
It freeze yew lodes of thyme.
It helps me right awl stiles two reed,
And aides me when aye rime.

and so on...

Date: 2004-06-18 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unovis.livejournal.com
Its two dye four, its to trew.

I love this:

My favorite student lately is the one who wrote about feeling clumbsy.
I mean if he wanted to say how it feels to be all thumbs he
Certainly picked the write language to right in in the first place.
I mean better to clutter a word up like the old Hearst place
Than to just walk off the job and not give a dam.

Another student gave me a diagragm.
"The Diagragm of the Plot in Henry the VIIIth."

Those, though, were instances of the sublime.
The wonder is in the wonders they can come up with every time.

Why do they all say heighth but never weighth?
If chrystal can look like English to them, how come chryptic can't?
I guess cwm, qanz, or quattrocento
Always gets looked up. But never momento.
Momento they know. Like wierd. Like differant.

It is a part of their deep deep-structure vocabulary:
Their stone axe, their dark bent-offering to the gods:
Their protoCro-Magnon pre-pre-sapient survival-against-cultural-odds.

etc.
The Spell Against Spelling, by George Starbuck
(from The Argot Merchant Disaster)

Date: 2004-06-18 02:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kathyh
So apparently there are rumors that Johnny has cancer from lying down, or something. The word they wanted, of course, was prostate.

The sad thing is the number of people who I've heard saying "prostrate" when they mean "prostate". Mrs Malaprop is alive and well and living in the UK.

And I was just boggled by this. To me, that's one of many things that makes a story bad.

When I had to pay large sums of money for my internet connection I judged a story entirely on its first paragraph. One mistake of that kind and it was off my reading list at the speed of light. Thanks for another excellent post. I do know the difference between led and lead but whether I always apply it is another matter.

Date: 2004-06-18 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
Hey, as long as you don't willfully say "I don't care enough to make the distinction" then you're probably okay

Date: 2004-06-18 06:02 pm (UTC)
ext_8787: (Default)
From: [identity profile] deejay.livejournal.com
Oh, woe! There was that fanfic I wrote that had a main character lounging on a formaldehyde sofa (instead of the intended naugahyde one).

I bless my editor to this very day.

Date: 2004-06-21 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
That would be a very uncomfortable couch!

Date: 2004-06-18 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glassslipper.livejournal.com
I always enjoy these posts. Thanks.

Date: 2004-06-18 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avrelia.livejournal.com
Thanks for the post. I noticed interesting development in my English - I studied it mostly through reading, so I might have no idea how to pronounce a word correctly, but spelling/meaning connection was strong. I might forget what to put: "s" or "c" in a word like licence (and differences between British and American spelling are killing me), but generally if I knew the meaning, spelling wasn't a problem. But here is a thing - the better I know English, the more I rely on my listening, the more stupid H/H mistakes I make. Very infuriating - I have to check myself more (I also didn't stop making my old mistakes.)

Date: 2004-06-21 08:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
English is hard enough without having to deal with two different variations, I say! No wonder you make mistakes, and I should think you'd be forgiving of yourself, because I think anyone would in those circumstances!

Date: 2004-06-19 12:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jwaneeta.livejournal.com
So apparently there are rumors that Johnny has cancer from lying down, or something. The word they wanted, of course, was prostate.

I have a theory that it all started with NYPD Blue and Sipkowitz' inabilty to pronounce "prostate cancer" correctly even when he had it. The writers were trying to warm our hearts with his of-the-people ignorance, but it touched off a wave of general confusion. Okay, I'm giving NYPD Blue too much power, but still. *g*

On the synchronicity front: as I was reading your post the baseball announcer guy mentioned something about a player's charitable work for prostate cancer research. That's the second time in a week I've heard a word on TV at the exact moment I read it in LJ.

I don't know why I find that worth mentioning.

Date: 2004-06-21 08:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
I think it isn't helped in fanfic because so many people know the word prostrate, and then they use that when they mean supine. So then you already have the confusion over prostrate/prostate, and add that in to the mix... whackiness ensues!

Date: 2004-06-19 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mystic-savage.livejournal.com
So is it: you've got another think coming? or: you've got another thing coming?

Date: 2004-06-21 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gwyn-r.livejournal.com
I've always seen it instructed as think, but because of the way we talk, most people hear thing -- so it's kind of morphed into "that's how I heard it growing up." Someone once told me about the phrase "used to" and the (I'm sure very valid, but I didn't care) reason it's supposed to be use to. I didn't care enough to change my way of using it, when the whole world seems to employ the phrase the way I do, so I think people are safe with whichever they choose.

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